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Friday, November 11, 2005

Article #26 - Purgatory

Purgatory

Purgatory! Is there such a place, and if so, what is its purpose? Does the Bible tell us about a place such as Purgatory? The best place to start checking out about Purgatory would be the Catholic catechism. The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines Purgatory as a "purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven," which is experienced by those "who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified" (CCC 1030). There are many that never heard about this place, but consider this statement found on the web. "If sin still clings to Christians (Heb 12:1), but there is no sin in heaven (Rev. 21:27), there must be a purification that takes place after one's death and before one enters heaven. Therefore, common sense tells us that our sanctification is usually not complete when we die, though we know we will be perfectly sanctified in heaven. Thus between death and glory must come a purification." (www.Catholic.com )

A few years ago, one of my uncles told me that at least seven areas in Scriptures proved that there is a place called Purgatory, and he invited me over to his house so that he could show me them. Needless to say, I accepted his invitation, mentioning that I knew that the Bible doesn't in any such way teach about Purgatory even once. Oh, there are serious attempts to quote Scriptures that seemingly prove of a Purgatory, but this is done without the Gospel facts by which Scriptures prove that there can be NO such thing as a place called Purgatory. Over and over again we find that Jesus "redeemed us" (1 Peter 1:19,20), "purchased us" (Acts 20:28), and "washed us from our sins in his own blood." (Revelation 1:5) The fact is that when Jesus shouted from the cross, "It is Finished" (John 19:30) He was professing that sins had been wiped away from all believers as Isaiah said, "and with His stripes we are healed!" (Isaiah 53:5) Believers can know that there is no purgatory simply because the Bible tells us that "... he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." (2 Cor. 5:21) It's the great exchange by which we can lose our sins and gain His righteousness, and if we have His righteousness, we are cleansed of sin. We need no further purification.

The Bible does say that, "... the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23) If your sins are forgiven, they are also forgotten, so after death we are judged. Certainly any temporal punishment that our sins bring us has already occurred on Earth, as seen by the example of David losing his son after his adulterous fling with Bathsheba. These temporary trials, or punishments are simply for our learning as God does indeed chastise His children, and "afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby." (Hebrews 12:11)

So what are some of the evidence verses in which those that believe in Purgatory use to support and convince others that there is a Purgatory? My uncle showed me 1 Corinthians 3:15, which is one of their favorite verses. It says, "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." But this is really the Bema-seat Judgment, in which the WORKS go through a examination, not the person. Their motives for why people did things are exposed as good or selfish by Jesus, not the people themselves. That certainly isn't Purgatory. Neither are the rest of the evidence verses, such as 1 Peter 3:10 where Peter tells us that Jesus, "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison." Certainly that gives us proof of another place besides Heaven or Hell. This place, called "Limbo of the fathers" by some, was temporary, having served its purpose and was emptied AFTER Jesus resurrected. Jesus needed to be the first to resurrect in His glorified body and now there is no need for this place.

What about Judas Maccabees in which their Bible shows him praying for the dead and making atonement for them? (2 Macc. 12:43-45). First, let me mention that these verses are taken from the Apocrypha - not recognized as Scripture. However since it has been brought up by Purgatory proponents, we'll examine it as well. This is simply an historical example of someone doing it, not the establishing of doctrine just as David committing an adulterous affair doesn't provide opportunities for us to do likewise.

We could continue, but I think you see the foolishness of this belief system already. The problem arises out of the fact that those who defend Purgatory simply have the wrong idea of how (or who) gets to Heaven. What seemed to be logical about a place called Purgatory, since no sin enters Heaven, isn't always the way God sees things. And how we feel about something isn't important. What does His Word, the Bible, say? That is what really matters. Thus, we should remember that Jesus took care of the sins at Calvary with His blood, "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission." (Hebrews 9:22) God loves us so much that He gave us His Son to take care of sins, thus there is no possibility for a place called Purgatory, "and with His stripes we are healed!" (Isaiah 53:5) Believers, just as Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 5:8, know that "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

3 Comments:

  • At 6:44 AM, Blogger Matthew said…

    One blogger has an excellent series of posts up on purgatory. I strongly encourage you to read them:

    http://acatholiclife.blogspot.com/2006/02/some-purgatory-posts.html

     
  • At 2:53 PM, Blogger Michael said…

    What I find disturbing about your post is that you dare you discredit the book of Maccabees. Since you read your bible, my guess is the (Kind James), I would recommend that you do a bible check prior to the early part of the 1500's and see what the REAL bible, AKA the (Latin Vulgate) said. It was Martin Luther who removed 7 of the books that God divinely inspired and added his own words to fit the way that he felt the bible should be. The book of Maccabees isn't just some book that Catholics added to the bible, it has always been there. So for you to just say, "lets ignore it" tells me that you are a comfort seeking christian and that if you don't like the way that something feels, you will just ignore it. That is precisely what Martin Luther did. He broke the 5 sacred vows he made to God and then he took out 7 books from the Catholic Bible (The king James is 99% copied from the Catholic bible and the other 1% is the lies that Martin Luther put into the book to make it his own work). So you are basically doing the same. All through-out the bible, we can see points made to purgatory and then exaples of them saying it right out. Here are a few scriptures that hopefully with quench this thirst you have to discredit the Church that Christ founded... for we all know, Prots came over 1500 years later...

    It stands to reason that since GOD is perfect, then Heaven has to be a perfect place, and nothing imperfect can enter (Revelation 21:27). GOD will not join Himself to anything defiled. If a person dies with sins not sufficient for hell (the sin unto death, 1John 5:16-17), and has lesser sins to prevent entry into Heaven, then there has to be a third place in which to atone for them. This would be a temporary place, as stated in Matthew 5:25-26, “You shall not come out until you have paid the last penny”.
    Come out of where?

    After Adam’s sin, the gates of Heaven were closed, and no one was allowed to enter (John 3:13) until Jesus Christ redeemed the human race and opened the gates once again. Where were the spirits of Moses and Elias, who appeared and spoke with Jesus at the transfiguration (Matthew 17:3)? They could not have been in Heaven since it was closed, and they would have been lost had they been in hell. They had to have been in a third place. If there was a third place then, why not a third place now?

    What about Lazarus? He was already dead four days (John 11:17) when Jesus arrived at his tomb. Where was his soul during those four days? It could not be heaven or hell for the same reasons as for Moses and Elias.
    His soul had to have been in a third place.

    Philippians 2:10 says:
    ”That at the name of Jesus, every knee should bend of those in Heaven, on earth, and ‘under the earth’.”
    ’Under the earth’, could it mean hell, or is it a third place?
    Non Catholic theologians struggle trying to reconcile their denial of the existence of Purgatory with what Paul said in 1Corinthians 3:12-15:
    ”Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire*.”
    To whom do these verses refer? Obviously the person is not in hell, as verse 15 says “himself will be saved”. He cannot be in heaven either as the same verse implies suffering, “as through fire”, and there is no suffering in heaven. These verses say that man will be purified by fire and then will be saved to enter Heaven. Where will this, “yet as though through fire”, take place if not in a third place called Purgatory?

    *The Greek word used for fire is “pursw” (puroo) of which “pur” is the root word for Purgatory.

    “...Strike the Shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered; and I will turn My hand to the little ones. And they shall be in all the earth, said the Lord, TWO PARTS IN IT SHALL BE SCATTERED, AND SHALL PERISH, BUT THE THIRD PART SHALL BE LEFT THEREIN. AND I WILL BRING THE THIRD PART THROUGH THE FIRE, AND WILL REFINE THEM AS SILVER IS REFINED, AND I WILL TRY THEM AS GOLD IS TRIED. THEY SHALL CALL ON MY NAME, AND I WILL HEAR THEM. I WILL SAY: YOU ARE MY PEOPLE. AND THEY SHALL SAY; THE LORD IS MY GOD.”
    Zechariah 13:7-9
    “As silver is tried by fire, and gold in the furnace, so the Lord tries the hearts.”
    Proverbs 17:3.
    The metal refiner watches the silver, for if the process is longer than necessary, the silver will be harmed.
    ”He shall sit refining and cleansing the silver. And he shall purify the sons of Levi, and shall refine them as gold, and as silver...”
    Malachi 3:3.
    HE KNOWS THE PROCESS IS COMPLETE WHEN HE CAN SEE HIS OWN IMAGE REFLECTED IN THE SILVER.
    GOD SAID, “LET US MAKE MANKIND IN OUR IMAGE AND LIKENESS.”
    Genesis 1:26

    In 1Peter 3:19, Christ preached to the spirits in prison. What spirits? What prison? We will become pure spirits only after we die, so the spirits have to be the spirits of the dead. Prison cannot mean Heaven, and souls in hell are lost forever. Prison must mean a third place.
    1Peter 4:6, the Gospel was preached “even to the dead”. Again, where were these dead?
    Matthew 12:32, “...but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him either in this world or in the world to come.” This passage alludes to another world in which some sins will be forgiven. What other world? Again it could not be either Heaven or hell.
    Hebrews 12:23, “...and to the Church of the Firstborn who are enrolled in the heavens, and to GOD, THE JUDGE OF ALL AND TO THE SPIRITS OF THE JUST MADE PERFECT.”
    We have already seen from Revelation 21:27 that nothing imperfect will enter heaven, and in Hebrews 12:23, the spirits of the just are made perfect. Revelation 22:14 shows that there will be a cleansing before admission to the tree of life and entrance through the gates of the city. Where will all of this happen if not in a third place?

    Very strong evidence that a third place exists, is in 2Maccabees 12:38-46:
    ”...it is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to Pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.”
    If there are only Heaven and hell, why then does Scripture ask us to pray for the dead? If the dead are in hell, prayer is useless. If the dead are in Heaven, prayer is not needed. Therefore there has to be a third place where prayers are needed.
    St. Paul prayed for his dead friend Onesiphorus in 2Timothy 1:18,
    ”May the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that day.”
    Why would Paul pray for the dead if he thought his friend to be in heaven or hell where prayers would help neither?

    Some Scripture verses for Purgatory:
    Sir 7:33, Isa 6:5-7, Isa 61:1, *2Macc 12:38-46, Mal 3:2-3, Mt 5:25-26,48, Mt 17:1-8, Mt 25:31-46, Lk 6:19-31,
    Lk 12:58-59, *1Cor 3:12-15, 2Cor 5:10, Eph 6:18, Phil 2:10, 2Tim 1:16-18, Jam 1:12,5:19-20, Heb 9:27, Heb 12:23, 1Pet *1:3-7, 1Pet *3:13-20, *1Pet 4:6, Rev 6:9-10, Rev 21:27,22:14-15,
    CCC 1030-1032.

    What did the Church Fathers and early Church writers have to say regarding Purgatory?
    Here are some references...
    The ‘J’ numbers refer to “The Faith of the Early Fathers” by William A. Jurgens.
    Tertullian, The Soul 58:1. J352 208AD
    Tertullian, The Crown 3:2. J367 211AD
    Tertullian, Monogamy 10:1. J382 213AD
    Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechet Lecture 23:5:9-10. J852-*853
    Basil, Homilies on the Psalms Ps7:2. J956
    Gregory of Nyssa, Sermon on the Dead, J1061 382AD
    Epiphanius of Salamis, Against All Heresies 75:8. J1109
    Chrysostom, On Phillipians 3:4. J1206
    Serapion, The Sacramentary 13L1. J1239a
    Augustine, Psalms 37:3. J1467, Sermons 159:1. J1513,*1516
    Augustine, Genesis Defended 2:20:30. J1544
    Augustine, Faith and Works 1:1. J1737a
    Augustine, City of GOD 21:24:2+. J1776,1780, J1920, J1934
    Caesar of Arles, Sermons 179:104:2. J2233
    Gregory I, Dialogues 4:40. J2321

    I could go on and name many more versus. For a person to just ignore Purgatory is a huge mistake. Just b/c a disgruntled former Monk took the original text out, doesn't mean that you can't do a history check and read the actual text and believe it.

     
  • At 7:40 AM, Blogger Ron Kempen said…

    St. Micheal
    I'm not sure if you are checking my blog out anymore, but just in case I'll still reply to this one.

    Where do you get the idea that Martin Luther choose to boot out 7 Books? And where do you think that I choose to ignore what I don't like? But more importantly is the problem of you thinking that we even need a place called purgatory! The Bible repeatedly tells us that Jesus took care of the sin issue at Calvary and for all your well meaning rationality and interpretations, the bottom line is if you believe in Purgatory you are denying the finished work done at Calvary's cross. Read my articles on Mortal or venial sins and then read about purgatory - that's the way the Bible truly is regardless of who tells you that there is a place called Purgatory - its not!
    There was a third place (Abraham's Boosom) before Christ's resurrection as He had to be the first resurrection, but after that time of his resurrection, it was emptied, and there is no other third place needed.

     

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